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1) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 3043) Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: This graphic says it all - even under the latest BOINC version 7 ... http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/BOINC%20issues/Moo/Image6.jpg FWIW Am now struggling to remove BOINC 7 and revert to the previous BOINC 6 point whatever. A simple reinstall of the prior BOINC version gives different GPU errors on different PCs (OpenCL & non-OpenCL cards). I'm about to agitate on BOINC that BOINC 7 kills all processing on AGP cards.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 3034) Posted 10 Apr 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Still no fix. I'm getting 100% usage that I positively DO NOT WANT. See the latest proof ... http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/BOINC%20issues/Moo/Image5.jpg Help, please! Ray PS:- Blame not required, what is needed is that this problem running Moo is fixed. Previous reply results in zero help as http://moowrap.net/result.php?resultid=6273835 & 6190048 both give the same error:- Unable to handle request No such task so unable to investigate the previous reply.
3) Questions and Answers : Wrapper and Client : No GPU jobs sent (Message 2774) Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: PC GPU works OK with Moo, see ... http://moowrap.net/workunit.php?wuid=7501804 ... but it keeps getting the following messages:- 27/02/2012 02:44:57 Moo! Wrapper Requesting new tasks for GPU 27/02/2012 02:45:01 Moo! Wrapper Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 27/02/2012 02:45:01 Moo! Wrapper Message from server: No tasks sent 27/02/2012 02:45:01 Moo! Wrapper Message from server: Tasks won't finish in time: BOINC runs 95.8% of the time; computation is enabled 100.0% of that HELP!
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2758) Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: The D.Net Client we use doesn't have a parameter to limit CPU percentage usage (only number of CPUs and scheduling priority). At last ... a revelation (sigh) after almost 2 months. To prove how bad this situation is I just limited a single-core HT CPU to 50% "of the processors" and to 1% "Use at most ... of CPU time". Result - 46% CPU usage (by Moo/DNET). See latest snapshot JPEG for proof http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/BOINC%20issues/Moo/Image4.jpg Ray (PS additional anecdotal proof:-? During this 50% at 1% CPU limit I set ... just typing this text is a nightmare.)
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2199) Posted 12 Jan 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Thanks, John Clark, for the clarification. In desperation/exasperation set local preferences for BOINC "Use at most % CPU time" on this PC to the lowest and most ineffiecient[] value I've ever used []especially for other projects ... i.e., 10%. Still Moo uses e.g., 50% of one core for far too long and simultaneously some random % of the other core periodically then sleeps seemingly forever???. At this setting other projects just idle (relatively speaking). I then set local preferences to 15%, same result. Then I set local preferences to 20% ... same result as I had previously set BOINC "Use at most % CPU time" to 25% & 50%. Nightmare! This is not what I want. Put another way - Moo is seriously out of my control on certain of my PCs. Reminder ... Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences**. When will this be fixed? Ray (Happy to receive any positive response.)[/u]
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2183) Posted 11 Jan 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Thanks, Zydor, for the reply which I appreciate and must have taken some significant time to compose. I strongly disagree for a number of factual, proveable reasons. Its not a Moo issue It is a Moo issue - that's why I posted here. Non-Moo tasks work exceptionally well and within the 50% rule that I require. Moo does not. I can prove it and have previously done so. If you wish I can re-test on at least 3 significantly different PCs but please believe me ... this really is a Moo problem. Teemu has agreed, if you wish I can quote. The use at most x% of a cpu is not an exact science. I have always understood and respect that. However, the previous facts speak for themselves. In no way does the facility give the precise percentage option Again, I have always understood and respect that. It is, IMHO the granularity as mentioned previously - or the lack of it - is the Moo issue. So set a percentage of (say) 60% and you'll get two out of four cores on a quad enabled for BOINC, 27% will get one, etc etc. It is in effect a crude switch to limit the number of Cores used in BOINC processing ... limit the cores used to a maximum granularity of whole cores. Apologies for my ignorance but after many years running many BOINC tasks I have simply never observed this on non-Moo tasks. If you are speaking on behalf of the Moo project and you wish to re-define the BOINC CPU usage user parameters then the Moo project should publish what it perceives the new interpretation of the BOINC parameters to be. In the meatime, Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences and is therefore ignoring the simple concepts used & observed by other projects as described in plain english via BOINC preferences. With Respect, Ray (If I'm wrong, show the proof.)
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2168) Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Does the approx 5 minute gap in the following ... [Dec 31 23:11:23 UTC] Running again after pause... (flagfile cleared) [Dec 31 23:16:03 UTC] Paused... (found flagfile) ... point to an issue??? I would prefer many, very frequent interrupting crunching ... (that uses CPU as well, for "nothing)" rather than a blown CPU/GPU/motherboard or whatever due to overheating. On second thoughts, let me refer back to the original point:- Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences. Ray PS:- For now I have set the local CPU "at most" preference on this PC down from 50% to 25% which seems to reduce Moo disobedience but at the expense of wasting time when running other non-Moo CPU tasks which do observe the 50% setting rather more obediently i.e., they are doing "nothing" a lot of the time thanks to this problem.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2045) Posted 2 Jan 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: [the] D.Net Client that we use always [use takes] all the "extra" CPU your system has The problem explained. Defined well :-) "regressions" ... ahh - another synonym for problem! Congrats. However, I have added this as an issue for our wrapper so I can check if there's anything I can tell to D.Net Client to also limit CPU (and it might do a better job). I hope so [hugs] Ray Does the approx 5 minute gap in the following ... [Dec 31 23:11:23 UTC] Running again after pause... (flagfile cleared) [Dec 31 23:16:03 UTC] Paused... (found flagfile) ... point to an issue???
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2041) Posted 2 Jan 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Hi mikey:- Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences mikey, SETI & Cosmology etc respect BOINC preferences. I know ... I checked before I posted the original message. I have also spent the last couple of hours comparing, adjusting BOINC & non-Moo preferences to re-check my facts on two completely different PCs. It's definitely a problem that manifests itself running Moo CPU tasks on the PCs mentioned. A similar issue exists for GPU tasks but there is a different thread for that erm, design issue. Trust me, if it were a general BOINC issue I would not have brought it up here (based on my perception of these symptoms). Thanks Teemu for taking up this topic.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2023) Posted 1 Jan 2012 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Thanks Teemu. The ones I'm most focussed on are Moo Computer IDs:- 7312, 4908 & 5323. Cheers, Ray (If it helps, the CPU usage isn't 100% all the time. Just an awful lot more time, consecutively, than I want. If it's a timing issue then I'd hazard a guess maybe Moo isn't checking CPU usage often enough - once every physical second might do the trick whereas it seems to check only every 5-10 seconds or sometimes longer??? Other BOINC tasks such as SETI [Lunatics enhanced binary] & Cosmology on e.g., Moo Computer ID 5085 never seem to exceed the BOINC/Project preferences on that PC.)
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2014) Posted 31 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Hi. I understand your reply, but I disagree as follows:- Refer to http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/BOINC%20issues/Moo/MooTasksIgnorePreferencesD.jpg These are Moo preferences, specifically "Use at most x% of CPU". Emphasis on the words "at most". To me that means that for whatever reason x% must NOT be exceeded. Design issue, feature, flaw, bug, defect, glitch ... whatever. I call it a problem. Turning to the averaging over time or mixing of cents. That's all well and good if you know in advance the exact amount you are dealing with. I don't know in advance how long my PC will be switched on/processing Moo tasks. A simple example:- if I intend to check my emails and it might take 30 minutes. If Moo uses 100% CPU for all that time (rather than my 50% setting) it follows that somehow Moo anticipates that my PC will be switched on for a total of 60 minutes and will run at 0% CPU for the remaining, non-existant 30 minutes. That is wrong - it's a problem. I know it doesn't work exactly like that in practice - yes, it's a lot more complicated and yes, over time it might average out at 50%. I refer back to the words "at most" ... it's much easier to get one's head around.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 2002) Posted 31 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Still a problem. Teemu asked me to create this thread "for the CPU tasks not respecting BOINC preferences that's ... something I could probably do something with" Hello? (FWIW - "I'm working on it" is a valid response.)
13) Message boards : Number crunching : dnetc518-win32-x86-stream.exe (Message 1952) Posted 27 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: removed double-post made in error
14) Message boards : Number crunching : dnetc518-win32-x86-stream.exe (Message 1951) Posted 27 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Thanks Teemu - as ever, one never knows whether "it's just me, I've set something wrong" or it is a general issue. Which this GPU issue seems to be. A FAQ type posting would be good. I have started a new thread as suggested for the CPU-only issue. Ray (AMD/ATI's CCC appears to hold many pitfalls:- I run one PC where all the versions of GPU-Z after 0.2.4 fail on all versions of CCC after 11.4. Fond memories of Windows 3.11)
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Moo tasks ignore BOINC CPU preferences (Message 1950) Posted 27 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: The title says it all. See http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/BOINC%20issues/Moo/ for more details. Ray (Same problem on my other PCs - when I posted the same thing IRO Moo GPU tasks Teemu asked me to create a new thread "for the CPU tasks not respecting BOINC preferences that's ... something I could probably do something with", so yer'tis)
16) Message boards : News : Happy Holidays! (Message 1936) Posted 27 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Seems a bit random. Consider we long-time SETI crunchers who devote e.g., 5.34 hours CPU time per WU for a tiny 26.74 credits? IMHO it's ... unfair ... The -restricted- comparatibility between projects suffers Santa's demand could thusly create a Credit War between BOINC projects that nobody wants???
17) Message boards : Number crunching : dnetc518-win32-x86-stream.exe (Message 1935) Posted 27 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: See ... http://www.gti-r.com/MooGPUTaskRobs50PercentOfMyCPUa.jpg and http://www.gti-r.com/MooGPUTaskRobs50PercentOfMyCPUb.jpg When I have time in the next 24 hours I will also link screenshots of MOO CPU tasks exceeding preferences as originally described (it's late here in the UK) Ray
18) Message boards : Number crunching : dnetc518-win32-x86-stream.exe (Message 1934) Posted 27 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: Thanks very much Semtex for the reply. My post concerns only CPU tasks. Ray. (But after I read your reply I also noticed that every Moo GPU task also swamps my HT CPU of an ADDITIONAL up to and mainly near 50% effort. So Not Good. Maybe that is fixed with a CCC update but I'm tied to AGP on my main PC and AMD don't yet/ever will do 12.1 for AGP. FWIW Collatz, Milkyway & Cosmology behave impeccably, same PC, same preferances i.e., Cosmology @ 25% CPU load per task concurrent with Collatz @ imperceptable CPU load. These projects clearly do not require a CCC upgrade so ... how do I get Moo! to work as I want it to?)
19) Message boards : Number crunching : dnetc518-win32-x86-stream.exe (Message 1924) Posted 26 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: oops duplicate message now deleted- pressed "Post" twice, sorry
20) Message boards : Number crunching : dnetc518-win32-x86-stream.exe (Message 1923) Posted 26 Dec 2011 by Ray_GTI-R Post: dont run any CPU WUs when crunching Moo, just make sure to disable receiving CPU tasks in your account settings and that will solve the issue Read this thread because I don't seem to be able to get Moo! CPU preferences to work as I want i.e., Moo! CPU tasks just do their own thing irrespective of any preferences (BOINC, project & local). The above quotes fill me with not much hope. For example, a PC running Windows XP Pro SP3, 32-bit with one CPU and HT enabled to give me two logical cores:- I set (all) crunching preferences to 100% of the processors or 2 tasks at a time & 50% of the time. Two Moo! tasks will run ... but 100% of the time of both logical cores. The same happens on a different PC with two physical cores, no HT, different make of processor, different (Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit) OS. Seems like a fundamental problem. Question:- how do I get Moo! to work as I want it to?

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